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		<title>By: Ian Clifton</title>
		<link>http://browsersphere.com/2008/07/09/the-add-on-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-590</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Clifton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;GreaseMonkey - Opera built-in userjs support
That&#039;s very nice indeed and it looks like most Greasemonkey scripts can be run with little or no modification.

&gt;Firebug/Web Developer - Opera Dragonfly
This looks like it has a lot of potential, though I hope they do more than create a Firebug clone.  Competition is good for all of us end users.  When Dragonfly is fully released, I expect it to be extremely useful for mobile testing.

&gt;HTML validator - there’s talk to add it to Dragonfly, for now I just use w3c validtor
I sure hope they add it to Dragonfly; real-time validation is something I would hate to be without.  W3C&#039;s tool is nice, but it&#039;s a lot less useful when doing a bunch of testing on non-cached pages in an admin area.

&gt;Opera also basicallty have chatzilla, thunderbird, stylish, and foxtorrent built-in
It&#039;s funny because those are probably the features most people find very useful and will be a good pull to get Opera more usage, but they&#039;re the ones I care the least about.

&gt;On a related note, the add-on stuff is not exclusive to Firefox, IE actually has even more extensibility than Firefox,
Well, you know what they say about polishing a turd ;)

Thanks for the info, loligoth; it&#039;s been a while since I last gave Opera a try.  Maybe I&#039;ll take another look at it in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;GreaseMonkey &#8211; Opera built-in userjs support<br />
That&#8217;s very nice indeed and it looks like most Greasemonkey scripts can be run with little or no modification.</p>
<p>&gt;Firebug/Web Developer &#8211; Opera Dragonfly<br />
This looks like it has a lot of potential, though I hope they do more than create a Firebug clone.  Competition is good for all of us end users.  When Dragonfly is fully released, I expect it to be extremely useful for mobile testing.</p>
<p>&gt;HTML validator &#8211; there’s talk to add it to Dragonfly, for now I just use w3c validtor<br />
I sure hope they add it to Dragonfly; real-time validation is something I would hate to be without.  W3C&#8217;s tool is nice, but it&#8217;s a lot less useful when doing a bunch of testing on non-cached pages in an admin area.</p>
<p>&gt;Opera also basicallty have chatzilla, thunderbird, stylish, and foxtorrent built-in<br />
It&#8217;s funny because those are probably the features most people find very useful and will be a good pull to get Opera more usage, but they&#8217;re the ones I care the least about.</p>
<p>&gt;On a related note, the add-on stuff is not exclusive to Firefox, IE actually has even more extensibility than Firefox,<br />
Well, you know what they say about polishing a turd <img src='http://browsersphere.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the info, loligoth; it&#8217;s been a while since I last gave Opera a try.  Maybe I&#8217;ll take another look at it in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: loligoth</title>
		<link>http://browsersphere.com/2008/07/09/the-add-on-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-585</link>
		<dc:creator>loligoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Does Opera have the equivalent of Firebug, Greasemonkey, Flagfox, HTML validator, Web Developer, Live HTTP headers, etc. built in?

For Opera :
GreaseMonkey - Opera built-in userjs support
Firebug/Web Developer - Opera Dragonfly
Live HTTP headers - nope, but then I just use web-sniffer which is much more versatile
HTML validator - there&#039;s talk to add it to Dragonfly, for now I just use w3c validtor

Opera also basicallty have chatzilla, thunderbird, stylish, and foxtorrent built-in, and it has widgets too, and still has smaller memory footprint and installer size than vanilla Firefox.

For me it&#039;s just like the micro vs. monolithic OS kernels debate, theoretically micro kernels are better, but still I find nothing wrong with monolithic kernels like Linux.

On a related note, the add-on stuff is not exclusive to Firefox, IE actually has even more extensibility than Firefox,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Does Opera have the equivalent of Firebug, Greasemonkey, Flagfox, HTML validator, Web Developer, Live HTTP headers, etc. built in?</p>
<p>For Opera :<br />
GreaseMonkey &#8211; Opera built-in userjs support<br />
Firebug/Web Developer &#8211; Opera Dragonfly<br />
Live HTTP headers &#8211; nope, but then I just use web-sniffer which is much more versatile<br />
HTML validator &#8211; there&#8217;s talk to add it to Dragonfly, for now I just use w3c validtor</p>
<p>Opera also basicallty have chatzilla, thunderbird, stylish, and foxtorrent built-in, and it has widgets too, and still has smaller memory footprint and installer size than vanilla Firefox.</p>
<p>For me it&#8217;s just like the micro vs. monolithic OS kernels debate, theoretically micro kernels are better, but still I find nothing wrong with monolithic kernels like Linux.</p>
<p>On a related note, the add-on stuff is not exclusive to Firefox, IE actually has even more extensibility than Firefox,</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Wilsher</title>
		<link>http://browsersphere.com/2008/07/09/the-add-on-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-583</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Wilsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the market share of browsers tends to speak for itself with this regard.  As it is, most Firefox users don&#039;t install any add-ons (or so the stats say).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the market share of browsers tends to speak for itself with this regard.  As it is, most Firefox users don&#8217;t install any add-ons (or so the stats say).</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Clifton</title>
		<link>http://browsersphere.com/2008/07/09/the-add-on-argument/comment-page-1/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Clifton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the add-ons approach is much better, because you don&#039;t have an &quot;out-of-the-box&quot; risk of bloat.  The only other reasonable alternative is to have a normal, lean Firefox, and then a developer one that includes things like Firebug within the primary code.  Either way, add-ons are still a must.  Does Opera have the equivalent of Firebug, Greasemonkey, Flagfox, HTML validator, Web Developer, Live HTTP headers, etc. built in?  Somehow, I doubt it has all of those.  Firefox isn&#039;t always the fastest, but there are significant advantages to open source projects with large communities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the add-ons approach is much better, because you don&#8217;t have an &#8220;out-of-the-box&#8221; risk of bloat.  The only other reasonable alternative is to have a normal, lean Firefox, and then a developer one that includes things like Firebug within the primary code.  Either way, add-ons are still a must.  Does Opera have the equivalent of Firebug, Greasemonkey, Flagfox, HTML validator, Web Developer, Live HTTP headers, etc. built in?  Somehow, I doubt it has all of those.  Firefox isn&#8217;t always the fastest, but there are significant advantages to open source projects with large communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Exec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s why Seamonkey exists.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s why Seamonkey exists.<br />
<a href="http://www.seamonkey-project.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.seamonkey-project.org/</a></p>
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